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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:50:23 +0100
Gary Lawrence Murphy said:
> >>>>> "S" == Stephen D Williams <sdw@lig.net> writes:
> S> A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its
> S> past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc.
> Rastafari.
> That is, if you concede that of the two founding branches, only the
> one founded by the Nyabingi were legit and the others were
> thinly-veneered anti-colonial hooligans.
> There is also Vietnamese Buddhism, unless you count setting fire to
> oneself as a "foul action".
What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully nice bunch
of chaps (and chapesses).
> When we launched the Native Net in 1989, one of the first things we
> noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the
> British Army, with the US Army as a proxy by extension, were the
> common thread. Where neither was present (physically or through
> influence) there /tended/ to be less violence.
>
> The issue in Ireland is complex, but rest assured that religious
> aspects are only a co-incidence of the invader/colonials being
> predominantly members of the Royal-headed Anglicans and the aboriginal
> population being predominantly members of the Pope-headed Catholics.
> The conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice, since
> the Anglican Church is a near-identical clone of Catholicism.
>
> (now I bet that's going to attract some healthy debate ;)
Man, I'm not going *there* again ;) I'll agree, though, that the ideology
or practices of the religions have very little to do with the conflict.
> The same is true of street-gangs: When people are disenfranchised,
> it's easier to offer them the Triad as a new family. You get
> cellphones, cars, a dry place to live. Triad, biker gangs, mafia, the
> IRA, Al Queda ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long
> as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that
> escalation of violence is not a solution.
Well said!
--j.